Mgr. Ivana Koutská

* 1947

  • "I went there with such enthusiasm at first, because Prečan, that was the name back then! Well, the more I got to know him, the more my enthusiasm went away, so then I finally left, I couldn't do it anymore. And they didn't like me either, because they..., actually it was being run by those 1968 people, or, as you could say, the left-leaning people, and I didn't belong there, right. So they were trying to eliminate me. I wanted to make a dictionary. I went there with the idea of making a dictionary of the Czechoslovak exile, from the forty-eighth year. I even went to Radio Free Europe, where they let me into their archives. I could copy whatever I wanted. They had a filing cabinet there, I think, bigger than at the Interior Ministry. Well, I started to do that, so I started to do that, and Prečan took me there, and of course this didn't suit him, did it. So they thought that I would do a study on the personnel structure of the State Department. I thought I'd start forty-five-eight..., no way! I must have started in the nice year eighteen-nineteen. But anyway, I would just trick them, then I made it through, and then I got to where I wanted to go, and when I started doing that, when I got to forty-eight, suddenly the grant was over and done with."

  • "There was a problem in that actually, if we weren't married, I wouldn't properly have access to him at all and get lawyers and nothing... However they would let it be. Well, but we said we had to do it then, when it was like that. Because I'm, we were trying to make sure that I could still function somehow, so we didn't even get married, even though we had a child. And then we realised that it was no good, so it's... Well, and he was in prison, so we're gonna make a show of it, doing a proxy wedding. And I had an offer from three grooms - one of them was Vaculík, one was Pavel Kohout and one was Václav Havel. And they let Gruša go!"

  • "Suddenly, at five o'clock in the morning, someone rang the bell, the State Security came - a search, right, and Jirka was taken away. `What is gong on...?" I thought. Then Otka or someone came to me and said, 'Hey, calm down, it's just a twenty-four, a forty-eight at most.' Then came Karol Sidon and said: "Well you know, I was in a cell next to him so I heard everything, and I spoke with Jirka as well - and he sends his best regards - they decided to keep him in custody. And at that moment, when this happened, suddenly an awful lot of people started coming to me, actually the dissent was a ghetto. So on the one hand it was beautiful. On the other hand, it was horrible, wasn't it, because the first night after they arrested him, so - we were living on the top floor, I was there alone with a small child, I had two dogs, I mean, but a Pekingese - and they took up residence on my roof. It was a high rise block of flats, right above me, and they were banging on the ceiling all night. And I could still hear, 'Comrade, they're all there and they're sleeping.' I pulled the fridge up to the door, and this was at the time when they were taking people outside of Prague and beating them up, so like... Then I was going to the swimming pool with the boy, and there were two State Security men behind me. So I was having fun, because they had jackets on, so I was roasting them there on purpose in the strongest sun. So it was nice on the one hand, this was beautiful. Just the solidarity, the way the Bendas..., well, just everybody, amazing, Otka next to... With Otka we had, if I put a red rag on it, so he has to come, just beautiful, well. That was nice, on the other hand, the State Security men, that was worse."

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I realised that if I wanted to achieve anything, I had to do it myself

Ivana Koutská
Ivana Koutská
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Ivana Koutská was born on 4 August 1947 in Prague into a family of physicians Jan and Vilma Koutský. Her childhood and adolescence were affected by the consequences of the communist coup in 1948, but her parents were still able to continue their profession. From her youth she was connected with sport, which for her represented not only joy, but also a background - among her friends from the skiing environment she found support in difficult moments of her life. After studying history at the Faculty of Arts of Charles University, which she completed in 1969, she joined the Encyclopaedic Institute of the Academy of Sciences. It was there that she gradually came into contact with the dissident milieu. In 1978 she married the writer Jiří Gruša. She was actively involved in samizdat activities - she collaborated with the Petlice edition, participated in readings at Ivan Klíma’s home and maintained contacts with employees of the embassies of the USA, Germany and Sweden, through whom she sent documents for exile publications. The situation escalated dramatically in 1981, when Jiří Gruša was stripped of his Czechoslovak citizenship during their stay abroad. This move not only led to the break-up of their marriage, but also brought increased pressure from the StB on Ivana Koutská herself. In the November days of 1989, she worked as a guide for reporters from the German magazine Stern, who were covering the Velvet Revolution. After the fall of the regime, she focused on research work in the field of contemporary history - she worked at the Institute for Contemporary History, the Office for Documentation and Investigation of Crimes of Communism and finally at the Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes, where she remained until 2013. In 2025 she lived alternately in Prague and in her beloved Šumava cottage.