Mgr. Dagmar Stará

* 1928

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  • "When were you first approached?" - "I don't know. I think it might have been connected with the fact that I was working for Čedok as a tour guide in about 1959, 1958 - 1959. It was in 1959, because I think it was connected with the Brussels exhibition. But then I ended up missing one person from a tour in Vienna, and nobody asked me any questions. I was surprised." - "And you went with Čedok as a tour guide to the West, then?" - "Only to Vienna. Vienna. I went to Poland once." - "And you went to Vienna regularly?" - "No, no. I guess I wasn't that well behaved." - "Well, I suppose State Security asked you about things that concerned the tourists who went with you?" - "No. You had to sign a job application form, or I don't know what it was, like a two-page form where you write when you were born and all that crap, and you had to fill in something to the effect that 'if you heard or observed anything dangerous you would report it'. And I was thinking about it at the time and I was thinking, I can't hear that well. Nobody can prove that to me. But nobody ever [asked me]. I don't remember actually." - "And you worked for that Čedok for how long?" - "About a year. A year, yes." - "So that was interesting, wasn't it?" - "But my point was that I was doing art history and I wanted to see other people's galleries. That's what actually drove me to do it, to get out, because it was absolutely impossible to get out somehow at that time."

  • "My mother was brave, she tried to smile, but her husband, he was in tears when he said goodbye to me." - "And you kept in touch with your mother after that?" - "Well in touch... Mummy sent me two notes like that, but one day a note came to a friend of mine from Písek, whose mummy had written to her, and the note said to say hello to me from my mummy. My mother didn't know this lady at all, [they met] probably only in Auschwitz. It was only there that they agreed that the two of us knew each other. My mother knew that I had a friend in Písek, Helenka, but she didn't know the lady at all, so the two women made arrangements there. And I was friends with her daughter, that is, with Helenka, until her death. And her sons came to visit me." - "So mommy got to Auschwitz, did she?" - "Through Terezin to Auschwitz, yes." - "And she came back?" - "No. Mum died in that great gassing on the 8th and 9th of March in 1944. Supposedly, I learned from someone once, she worked in the hospital there, too."

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When my mother disappeared in the transport, I was left alone and homeless in Prague

Dagmar Stará, before the war
Dagmar Stará, before the war
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Mgr. Dagmar Stará, née Pirchanová, was born on February 27, 1928 in Prague. Her mother Hilda Löwová (also spelled Loevová or Lévová) was of Jewish origin, her father Augustin Pirchan was a physician, an internist specializing in radiotherapy. Her parents married in 1926 after an eleven-year relationship. They divorced after Dagmar was born, and her father remarried and died when she was six years old. The witness grew up with her mother and grandfather Otakar Pirchan, a government councillor who had a strong educational influence on her. After the establishment of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia in 1939, anti-Jewish measures began to apply to the Jewish part of the family. Her grandfather died in 1941, her aunt Markéta Freund and other relatives were deported in 1942. Mother Hilda was sent to the transport by the Nazis soon after Dagmar reached the age of fifteen, in March 1943. After the sudden death of her housekeeper, Dagmar found herself alone in Prague. In the meantime, she was expelled from the gymnasium as a first-grade mixed-race girl. She took refuge with her aunt Ludmila in Písek, where she spent the next five years. Because she was expelled from the grammar school as a first grade mixed-race girl and was not allowed to attend any schools, she worked in a factory in Písek. None of the family returned after the war, only a distant cousin, Karel Schick, survived and his parents sent him to England in 1939. After the war, the witness returned to her studies, graduated from high school and in 1948 graduated. The same year she married pharmacist František Starý and they moved to Prague. She graduated from the Faculty of Arts of Charles University, majoring in art history and classical archaeology. During her studies, her first daughter was born. In 1961 she joined the National Museum, where she worked for more than three decades as a historian in the department of historical archaeology. In 1957, when she was about to work externally with the travel agency Čedok, State Security Service (StB) used her wartime trauma to manipulate her into working with them. She left the National Museum in 1992, but continued to work as an expert expert and specialist until she was eighty-five. Her daughter Eva, a restorer, suffered from health problems from birth and Dagmar still cares for her at the advanced age of seventy-seven. She divorced in the first half of the sixties and raised two daughters.